I Am Somebody

This is a big episode because it is in honor of Rev. Jesse Jackson, the Unperceived Tyler has returned with a life update and big news, and it is the end of Season 4.

 The main question is 'Is it hard to have courage?'. In this episode, Tyler and Julian explore the complexities of courage, vision, and self-acceptance. They discuss how life’s unexpected paths can alter one’s journey, highlight the importance of living authentically, and the courage it takes to face fears. There is an emphasize on the need for self-acceptance and the impact of external perceptions on personal growth. The conversation explores the multifaceted nature of courage, the emotional complexities of shame and guilt, and the balance between courage and recklessness. They even discuss the potential downsides of being overly courageous. 

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Transcript

Mr. Nobody (00:09)
Welcome! Welcome back! What's up everyone? What's good questionaries? You know the voice. ⁓ You know the voice. It's, ⁓ you know, me Julian. My name today Mr. Dolby.

Tyler The Unperceived (00:11)
Bye y'all.

It was still everybody. It still everybody.

Mr. Nobody (00:27)
And if you recognize the really familiar voice, the Miss Unperceived Tyler's Bear.

Tyler The Unperceived (00:33)
Woohoo! Woohoohoohoohoo!

Unperceived in the house?

Mr. Nobody (00:41)
Unperceived! And as you can see, if you're laughing already, it's a silly sour day. You're gonna have a great time. there are two things I should also mention before things get super outhand, probably because of me. One, this is the last episode of season, four.

Tyler The Unperceived (00:44)
gosh.

for sure.

Mr. Nobody (01:04)
So great time to have Tyler be perceived for her. And yes, and with everything that's going on in the world, I don't know if that's how I want to put it, but I want to dedicate this episode to Reverend Jesse Jackson. That's why the title will be I am somebody. Hopefully we do him justice. But with that said, Tyler, how was your last seven ish days?

Tyler The Unperceived (01:10)
Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (01:34)
you

Tyler The Unperceived (01:34)
We're laughing because

we both know as a co-host now, previous co-host, I will have to give you basically a life update. Oh my gosh. I was gonna say, no, you should probably start and then I'll do.

Mr. Nobody (01:56)
Alright, my... Okay, ⁓ okay, okay. Well, you know, my 7-inch days didn't even get like the last month and a half for me, but you know, alright, so last 7-inch day. Let's see, what are the big highlights? So earlier today, ⁓ I was ⁓ doing my martial arts, my cardio kickboxing, ⁓ getting back into it.

Tyler The Unperceived (01:57)
I'll do my thing. Mine's gonna be long, hard, you know? I'm trying to shorten it in my head. I'm not gonna be talking all day about my life.

my gosh.

Mr. Nobody (02:26)
And I actually feel good because one, I know the people there. And then two, the instructors like giving us things to do. Not only am I the first one to finish, but I'm like, I could do more. I'm like, he's like, let's just do, example, just do 30, like three sets of 30 sit-ups or something, right? I do that real fast. I'm going to do two more. I'm, I'm, so I'm like, all right, cool. I feel good about that.

Especially for not being super active for like a year Plus, what else? I was on ⁓ another forest fire ⁓ Last last Saturday ⁓ That's kind of cool. It was more ⁓ tedious than the first time where I was truly just it was a it was it happened on Saturday and It was truly a

12 hour day, I was guiding at seven, left at 7.30. My commute is an hour and an hour and a half. It was a full day experience, just with a...

Tyler The Unperceived (03:29)
gracious

This basically how

long, like, my ride is from work to, like, an hour and ten minutes.

Mr. Nobody (03:40)
Yeah, so and but No on a good day of coming back. It's third hour and 30 minutes on a bad day. It's two hours. So Not not a fan about that. But ⁓ you know, it was just having like a tool in one hand holding five gallons of gasoline in the other hand with 45 ish pounds on my back and just walking on a

Tyler The Unperceived (03:42)
on a good day.

Exactly.

Wow.

Mr. Nobody (04:05)
So no, it was a very active day, but I really did enjoy it for sure. And then the last thing I'm going to mention that I can think of off the top of my head. So condensing everything, I'm shipping some things out to my cousin because he needed to move ⁓ across the country and he's holding some stuff in my apartment. I'm like, ⁓ last week I was sending things to him ⁓ and he needed to kind of rush out. So now thing was really packed.

Tyler The Unperceived (04:23)
Yeah, yeah.

Mr. Nobody (04:34)
put everything in the box the way he put it in. And I get to the UPS, and it's a big box. I think it was like hundred pounds or like nine, yeah, a hundred pounds. I needed another person to just lift it up because it was just that big. And I'm like, hey, yeah, can we just send this across the country? He's like, this box is not gonna make it. Mind you, the box is already breaking. It was already falling apart in my closet. So I'm like, okay.

Tyler The Unperceived (04:58)
Oof.

I

Mr. Nobody (05:05)
I had to buy three other boxes to ship it all to him and everything and I think I'm good. Oh, and there's a lot of loose material there. Like there is like a PlayStation, Xbox, paintings, there's all and like jewelry and stuff like that. yeah, so I'm like, I'm really trying to get all of his stuff to him. Yeah, I got the bumper up and everything.

Tyler The Unperceived (05:20)
⁓ that is not sound good.

Yeah, you got the bubble wrap.

Mr. Nobody (05:31)
And the person, the UPS worker was like, this, he's like, you didn't want us to like back and like, Hey, I'm just the delinquent person. Like I'm, I'm, I'm doing, I look, I'm just doing what he told me to do for the most part. That way he's not coming back home. That way he's coming back at me saying like, what, what are you doing? Like I'm like, Hey, I did what you, what'd you want? Like you don't.

Tyler The Unperceived (05:40)
They really could have packed it for you, though. They do pack stuff and ship it!

how hard are they to serve it?

Right.

Mr. Nobody (06:01)
⁓ So bought the three boxes mine didn't ask him because I'm like I want him to get his stuff and they already gave me the warning This box is not going to make it So I'm like, alright, let me get the three boxes is to just pay whatever right? And he sends me a text message ⁓ This past Thursday and he's like age text me. There's like hey, did you get a notification that's the pattern? I'm like no, but it's like you should have got it, right? It's like yeah, I got it the boxes are like two of the three to box

Tyler The Unperceived (06:12)
gosh.

Mm-hmm.

Mr. Nobody (06:31)
boxes are destroyed. Like there's a hole in them. I'm like, I'm like, I'm so sorry. It is, I have no idea, but I'm like, it's ripped down like a giant hole down the scene. And he's like, yeah, there's like $400 worth of like jewelry that's missing. I'm like, I, I am so sorry.

Tyler The Unperceived (06:33)
Good God. What are they doing to them packages?

But you know, our mailing

system is turning into a real shit show on purpose. But, like, I don't know, like, oof.

Mr. Nobody (06:55)
Yeah.

Yeah, so look, I feel so bad for it, but I'm like, could have, I did the best I could do to get him off his stuff. So, but yeah, so actually after this, I'm going to go to UPS and see if I can at least get reimbursed something. Just so.

Tyler The Unperceived (07:11)
right.

All right.

Mr. Nobody (07:21)
I can either send it to him or just figure out how he wants to go about it. yeah, those are, that's my last seven ish days.

Tyler The Unperceived (07:29)
Well, I'm sorry his packages got stolen. But at least he's still

up and having a really cool job.

Mr. Nobody (07:34)
That's true

and they didn't even get stolen because he got delivered from it's just the boxes were destroyed like imagine ⁓ a arm-sized hole in a box on the side Like it it's just a beat-up box Yeah, it's truly like if they someone hit it with the bat like it was a like a pinata

Tyler The Unperceived (07:47)
I'm like...

They don't care about none that.

Well.

Mr. Nobody (08:01)
I'll do what I can with that, but we'll see. But what about you, unperceived?

Tyler The Unperceived (08:08)
Okay,

I guess I'll like I don't know where I want to start but I guess like this year I've really been trying to like focus on like me more Three months in doing the best I can with what I got I did get a massage the other month. So that was really good. But um, I feel

Mr. Nobody (08:30)
Go!

Tyler The Unperceived (08:33)
It's been really good though because my dad, like his health is improving. So that's also freed up like a lot more of my time to like focus on me again. And like I haven't seen, I've had a primary care doctor since I graduated grad school. So I have not had like a checkup in like four years. So I finally have a primary care appointment in April.

Mr. Nobody (09:01)
Let's go! Get checked out!

Tyler The Unperceived (09:03)
And like,

I feel like I could feel it. Like I just got an updated flu shot like two, two days, two, three days ago. I was just like, I'm going to get that. I'm going re-up my measles because the measles is out here. Get COVID shot, all the good things and get myself like a full checkup because I mean the body is tired. Like you were saying, like I also like, I already didn't have like a workout routine.

And then on top of that, I was like taking care of him. like my health is becoming like a really big priority this year. And then I'm finally like cooking again because I'm in a better apartment. So I'm really just, you know, I'm trying to I'm really focused on me and like, ⁓ I guess it also like ties into what people probably want to hear. But like why I'm not like.

Mr. Nobody (09:40)
you

you

Tyler The Unperceived (10:00)
co-hosting for the podcast anymore. I really have to like focus on myself because I mean it's been real tough. Like the stuff like caregiving is hard at any age but nine times out ten people end up like 40 or plus having these issues. Like a lot of the people will be like man I get exactly what you're talking about. They're like 40 years old with like kids in middle school and I'm just like okay.

Like at least you have like an established career.

Mr. Nobody (10:36)
Yeah.

Tyler The Unperceived (10:38)
And you know, it honestly, like as I've been engaging with different people who have been doing different levels of caregiving, like, there's people of all ages going through it at any given time. And like, you don't really hear about it unless you seek it out. So it's very much like not in your face. And it's so funny because it's more inevitable than parenting is in a lot of my

In my opinion, like you can, you know, choose to live a child-free life and all that other stuff, but you just never know when you're going to end up having to take care of somebody it's not impossible to plan for, but sometimes it's very hard to kind of like, ⁓ try to plan ahead of time for, and you have to take like really good care of yourself. And we're not really in a society that's built for you to focus on yourself. It's to focus on production.

and what you can do and all this other stuff and stuff being like, hey, am I healthy? Like, do I like myself mentally? You gotta think about those. Like, you gotta get, the dark thoughts do be circling. I feel like caregiving gives you pretty dark thoughts. Just saying, just a PSA to people.

Mr. Nobody (11:38)
you

Ha

That's true.

Yeah, no.

You know, you know, we've been talking about this. I didn't even realize that my aunt is technically doing that. Well, my aunt and my dad is doing that for my grandfather because he's 80. He's 89 turning 90 this year. Yeah, so, you know, when you say it comes at any age, yeah, it kind of sneaks up on you.

Tyler The Unperceived (12:23)
And it's like, kinda crazy, cause if you don't really have people to kinda guide you through the process, it can be hard.

Tyler The Unperceived (12:30)
but yeah, like you were saying, like it happens at any any age, anytime you're either ready for it or you're not. It's just it's coming regardless, you know, like I even had a boss talk to me ⁓ like not even like my direct bot. He's like a seat like he's kind of high up in my job, but they all know like what I've been going through because I've been very transparent about it and

Mr. Nobody (12:57)
As you should be.

Tyler The Unperceived (12:58)
And he was like, um, cause I was telling him, like, was simplifying my dad's life recently, um, because now he's a little better, like physically. So we're able to kind of, you know, take the time to do what we need to do for him now. Um, and he was like, Oh, well, how are you doing that? Because, you know, his, his mother has dementia. So it's just like, and you never know, like, you know, life was coming at him fast. So it's like hard as it's a journey. So.

Mr. Nobody (13:21)
Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (13:28)
But, you know, I'm excited and really taking this time to just kind of like reflect and also ⁓ like figure out what, you know, life looks like for me now. Like now that I've had something like kind of life changing happen, it's almost like you have to almost like reset all your vision boards. That's what I meant. I'm resetting my vision boards right now. I need time to focus on me, so not co-hosting.

Mr. Nobody (13:40)
Only one.

Mmm. Yeah.

Yeah, and I will also say just for just to put it on record, I definitely support you for whatever you do. completely understand ⁓ life and everything you're going through and wanting to focus on yourself. You know, I've always been a big supporter of you focusing on yourself. ⁓ Just being here, I'm like, hey, your your life is more important than this. So that

Tyler The Unperceived (14:07)
Yeah.

Yeah, and you always and I as I say you always have been though You've always been really really supportive of like stuff that I have going on and we have we do have a good we have a really like transparent We have a have big transparency So it's kind like if it was up i'll go tell you was up and i'm not showing up like and you would just be like, okay, that's chill Like you were rolling with the punches and I appreciate that

Mr. Nobody (14:21)
Always hope you

you

No.

you

Look, I gots to, I gots to because we could both be throwing in some randoms like surprise.

Tyler The Unperceived (14:51)
Yeah, yeah, definitely. It's been

crazy, crazy times out here, but I think we're calming down. And also, I could be calmer.

Mr. Nobody (15:06)
Yeah, but no, really do appreciate you for doing all of this. And like you said, this isn't your last episode is just no longer a co-host. And should we also mean that also means you're not going to be in the background either or like you're? so.

Tyler The Unperceived (15:07)
⁓ gosh.

Yeah.

Yeah. Just,

I'm just a guest. Just one of the rotated guests at this point now.

Mr. Nobody (15:26)
She's rotating red liner. I was gonna call you. Well, if you listen.

Tyler The Unperceived (15:29)
Rotating

ooh rotating red liner. That's good,

Mr. Nobody (15:33)
that said, know, people are here for, you know, the main main reason of to hear the question. Tyler, you got a ditch question. What is the ditch?

Tyler The Unperceived (15:44)
No! I was so excited.

It was, oh my gosh, what is it? Is it hard to be, to have courage? Yes, I did it. I did it, you guys, I remembered. I was really scared. I'm glad that both of us were also like, I don't know if I know.

Mr. Nobody (15:55)
Yeah, that's it. It's hard to be happy. I was surprised you...

Actually

Tyler The Unperceived (16:13)
was very, yes.

Mr. Nobody (16:17)
no, I'll let you start.

Tyler The Unperceived (16:19)
I feel like, okay, this question, I would have answered it differently at a different time in my life. Like beforehand, when I was younger, I'd be like, it's not even hard to have Kurt, because I used to just do stuff. Like, I use, I definitely used to be one of those people where I'd just be like, I'm just going to do it. I don't care.

Mr. Nobody (16:26)
Mm.

Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (16:42)
very much like that. Living life was starting like beating me up and I was like, whoa, I don't think I could just do it anymore. So I, which is at this, that part was tough for me. Like I've always been the kind of person who just kind of dives head first into like stuff. And I'm just like, I don't really care how this is going to work out. If I want to do it, I'm going just do it. But I've, I've also feel like, because, you know, as you get older, you have more responsibilities and stuff.

Mr. Nobody (16:48)
Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (17:12)
It makes you feel really limited and that can be hard. yeah, I want to just do it, but like also I have another person that I had to think about and I'm taking care of now and that I have, you know, jobs to answer to so I can pay said bills and then, you know, the government want my taxes. What are they doing with it? Only the Lord could tell you, but...

Mr. Nobody (17:15)
you

bills to pay.

You

Tyler The Unperceived (17:41)
Like, you know,

it's hard. And I think honestly, even now, like right now with all the things going on in the world, like I I've been, my friend, she was supporting me a lot through the last year or so with all this stuff going on. And she invited me into like her Bible studies. I've been going to that. I went to Thursday night and we were all just kind of talking about how like, you know, it's.

tough to stay encouraged. Like even just staying encouraged, like not even using the courage per se, but just trying to keep your motivation up so you can get, you know, you can express what you need to express or do what you need to do. It's tough, you know, there's like all this stuff going on in the world and stuff. And it really makes people feel disempowered.

Mr. Nobody (18:34)
Absolutely, and I think my answer is always I Think in a general sense courage. Yes Just doing a courageous thing in that split second moment outside looking in is easy but When you factor in everything that's going around it is actually very hard because that's why we have why people say we they need liquid courage is to do

whatever, which is sometimes a good thing, sometimes a bad thing, just doing the act itself. Because I know for me, I'm also just a, I'm just going to do it type of person. But the mental behind some things, ⁓ I kind of have to psych myself up to do certain things because like literally, ⁓ I have a mentor at work and everything, right?

Tyler The Unperceived (19:08)
right?

Yeah.

Yeah!

Mr. Nobody (19:32)
And you would think it'd be easy for me just to, you know, call him and just say whatever. but I, I'm looking at my phone and like, do I call him now? Am I, am I going to like bother him? Something else is like, am I calling too much? So there's just certain things that are like, really try to weigh me down. And it's, I know it's, self-inflicting, but

Tyler The Unperceived (19:59)
Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (20:00)
still something that you have to get over. Just to do that because, then I've also mentioned that I'm also doing dating apps and everything, just trying to put myself out there. But even with that, ⁓ because I truly try not to be the person who's like, I need something in my system to do X thing. ⁓ So I've definitely.

Tyler The Unperceived (20:03)
Right.

Scourge too.

Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (20:27)
went out my way to try to ⁓ ask someone out while they're working on multiple occasions. When I'm not looking my best, but just trying to do it because I know the saying is the worst they can say is no. ⁓ Yes, but I like to come up with a crazy example. like, no, you can get it. You can be on a list. They can lie on your name.

Tyler The Unperceived (20:34)
crazy.

Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (20:57)
So, yeah, so it is definitely not an easy thing to have courage whatsoever. So shout out to everyone who finds courage in the small moments.

Tyler The Unperceived (20:57)
That's true, that's true.

Yeah.

What I feel like is harder maybe than the act of courage itself. I feel like you were saying, once you're doing it, you basically can't stop. It just kind of keeps going after you're in it. I think the harder part keeping that vision. Do you know what I mean?

Mr. Nobody (21:27)
Ha ha.

Tyler The Unperceived (21:38)
for example, like how do you have courage to like, let's say leave a job, because we were talking about this earlier, okay? But like some people, they feel like, okay, there's no better job out there. And so it's not even about courage, it's like, do you think, or can you see yourself like being somewhere better than where you're at right now?

Mr. Nobody (22:00)
Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (22:01)
And some

people, they don't even have the vision to have that courage. You know what mean? Like you, I think it's harder not to say like, do you have the courage to X, Y, Z? It's harder to be like, do you envision yourself as the person who's going to be in that better situation or that courageous person or whatever? Like it's, I think that's what's frustrating. I think the harder part is do you see yourself as a courageous person in that?

Mr. Nobody (22:06)
Yeah, I see.

Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (22:30)
part of your life.

Mr. Nobody (22:32)
Mmm, I like that. Yeah, no, that's... ⁓ Yeah, I'm thinking about it the thought that crossed my mind... ⁓

Tyler The Unperceived (22:35)
Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (22:44)
What is it? It's something, again, I see it all the time. It's like, fear and faith have kind of like, rely on the same thing. So, but again, just seeing a vision. Yeah, no, I never even thought about that is you have to kind of see yourself doing what you want and striving to, yeah, it's just striving to what you want in life, which isn't always taught.

Tyler The Unperceived (22:50)
Yeah.

Exactly.

Like it was well, I guess I think about it a lot because now with my life looking a lot different than I expected it to. I was definitely one of those people. Like I was just like, I have a vision for like what I want to do with my life. I'm going to go straight for it. I did like, you know what I mean? In a lot of ways, right? You know I mean? Straight path. But then like.

Mr. Nobody (23:21)
Mmm.

No, no, that's me. That's what I did.

Tyler The Unperceived (23:36)
Um, that's what saying, like with my dad and the caregiving thing, it kind of like knocked me off the path a lot more or made the path a lot less like, just more, it was more unexpected than I really felt. Like, you know, who would have been like, oh, by the age of like 23, I'll understand that I probably need to take care of my dad for the rest of my life. Like, you know, that's not something you think about at 13.

Mr. Nobody (23:42)
Mm-hmm.

more challenging.

Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (24:06)
What are you thinking about? What you're-

You're not like, ⁓ think, you know, things will happen that will put me in like a crazy situation. You know, like how do you I think that's also really hard, like having the courage to look at your path and go, maybe it doesn't even look like what I thought it was going to look like. And I think sometimes people like I was even watching. my gosh, it's going to sound so crazy, but.

I've been watching like Love is Blind, okay? the both recent season of Love is Black, stay with me. And this guy, he is like, ⁓ he was supposed to go like pro in ⁓ soccer or whatever. It's like a really big thing. He talks like he's in an interview like the whole time he's on the show. It's kind of crazy. So anyways, but I watch like therapist react videos and stuff like that where people are pretty, you know, they tend to lean more into the benefit of the doubt, benefit.

Mr. Nobody (24:42)
Okay.

Tyler The Unperceived (25:09)
doubt than not like when it comes to people who are you know really putting themselves out there on an edited reality TV show like if any of us were edited like first of all the courage it takes to be on an edited show like you really have to be comfortable with the fact that at some point you might end up being the villain ⁓ you're like you think you're a great person if all these other people are greater than you or whatever like boom villain edit but anyway

Mr. Nobody (25:37)
Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (25:39)
Like, it was making me think about him because they were saying like there's a lot of people who, you know, they wanted to go pro and all this other stuff and then it doesn't happen and they like don't know what to do with themselves afterward. Like he was like, yeah, I was literally a nomad. And for him, he felt like his exploration of himself was like traveling. So like he didn't have roots anywhere. He was basically living like a nomadic lifestyle.

Mr. Nobody (26:06)
No

Tyler The Unperceived (26:09)
And I find that so interesting. you know, did he think he was going to live a nomadic lifestyle for his life? Probably not. He thought he was going to be a soccer, he was going to be on a soccer team with his model girlfriend living in Italy or something. That's probably what his vision of his life was. And like, really, and then also your vision for your life is very much impacted by like the

instances like that you grew up around like who you saw because I even had this conversation recently like with my aunt she was like she's the only person who really isn't doing anything that's kind like you know my other aunts they're like a social worker or like work at the bank or like you know or my grandma and my mom were like insurance people like you know i mean like very much like you know the kind of jobs that people kind of

Mr. Nobody (26:37)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Tyler The Unperceived (27:02)
know are out there and then my aunt like does Broadway. I had to be like well how the heck you know what I mean but like you you really have to have like a vision like either there's something within you that's telling you like hey I need to be doing something else and that was her but like if you don't have people around you like encouraging that you're gonna feel you feel like the

Mr. Nobody (27:04)
Mm-hmm.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Tyler The Unperceived (27:31)
the oddball, you know what mean? And then it makes you feel like, well, maybe I'm doing too much. And so it's like even having the courage to challenge what you've grown up around is really hard.

Mr. Nobody (27:44)
Yeah, no, that's actually funny you bring that up because I was thinking about this and how you mentioned that like the dude from Love and Blind is the villain and I was thinking I honestly think villains right or wrong is not the what I'm discussing right here but villains actually have probably the most amount of courage to do what they want because and going off of just your point of just ⁓ being that odd

Tyler The Unperceived (28:07)
Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (28:13)
odd person out and still is sticking to what you do. I will say my brother actually ⁓ does that, even though it's...

It's...

I want to say not difficult, difficult is not the right word, but it's just like what you're talking about because he's doing what he likes to do, which is working in a library. Nothing wrong with working in a library, but I know that's not a dream job people think about. There's worries about how are you going to do X, Y, and Z in life. So I know

Tyler The Unperceived (28:37)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mr. Nobody (28:56)
So my family is trying to like, hey, you know, can, you know, you can step up. We like, we want more from you, but I know he's doing what he wants and what he enjoys. So it's definitely a hard thing for sure.

Tyler The Unperceived (29:05)
Damn.

Yeah, and I feel like sometimes I don't like when that happens only just because like we need librarians. Like libraries are a ⁓ unique and very special like public good that, you know, people get like free classes to learn different skills. You could do like different art things. Like it's part of a community. It's a really big part of like building community.

Mr. Nobody (29:18)
⁓

Mm-hmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (29:38)
in

different cities and all that other stuff. I grew up going to the library when I was a kid, it was a it was like a safe place. Sometimes you see a homeless guy washing up in the bathroom, but that's just what it is. You live in a city, you go see homeless people. Housing's not free. So I'm like, if it makes you uncomfortable that housing isn't free, maybe you should get somebody in a house.

Mr. Nobody (29:49)
Hmm

That is life is hard

Tyler The Unperceived (30:08)
That's all I have to say. you're uncomfortable with the unhoused, guess what? Buy them a house or something. Don't tell them to disappear. They need to wash. Like really? So... Make it free then. Like what the heck?

Mr. Nobody (30:08)
⁓

That's true. That's very true.

with that, want to ask you, what's the most courageous thing you think you've done so far?

Tyler The Unperceived (30:32)
Ooh, ooh, this is a tough question. If you ask anybody, I feel like if you asked a bunch of different people who have ever met me out in life, they would probably say so many different things. Like, I feel like most of the things that I do are like, people are like, what?

Mr. Nobody (30:35)
you

You're so funny.

Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (30:53)
⁓ but for me, I feel like my most courageous thing that I've done, which is actually so funny, like, feel like I've gone through this like almost in front of the podcast in a way is go from like unperceived in one way to another way. Like, like, like when I first started this unperceived for me was like, my gosh, like I cannot be on a camera saying my opinions for public records on the internet. Like when. ⁓

Mr. Nobody (31:04)
Mm.

Rule number one, don't put

yourself on the internet.

Tyler The Unperceived (31:25)
Why? Why would I put myself on the internet? I hate that! But, like, what's so funny about it is it almost was like the start of this journey of me just really being like, okay, well, heck, if I'm just like myself everywhere, what is my life gonna look like? And honestly, my life crumbled the hell apart.

I was like, actually, I would like to create my own life. And I definitely ended up like the villain in some people's stories. I feel that I know it. I don't care. Yeah. So I'm like, at this point, it's like, you know, unperceived has now become like, unperceived in the sense that like, yeah, you probably perceive me however you want to, but like your perception doesn't actually matter because

Mr. Nobody (32:02)
I know I'm the villain in some people's stories.

Tyler The Unperceived (32:18)
I'm happy with myself. Like when I look at myself, I've done a lot of work. Like I went to therapy for like, as long as I haven't had a primary care doctor, I've had a therapist. I've been a therapist for like five plus years now. Right at this point, I was like, if the body going to hell, the missile can't go to hell too. We all, that's just a recipe for chaos. Chaos for me. And that's I was really big on therapists at one point, because I was like, y'all.

Mr. Nobody (32:31)
If eight, one or the other.

Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (32:47)
have no other doctor but a therapist. But also my insurance makes that like the cheapest doctor for me to have. The sessions are only $10. Okay? So I'm like, hey, if it's $10 and they paying it, I'm going. Cause these jobs be messing with my mental bad. Like this, like you, I can get stressed out for benefits. The guess what? I'm using the benefits. Like what?

Mr. Nobody (32:54)
Mmm.

Yeah, you can't beat $10.

Tyler The Unperceived (33:15)
So yeah, no, I feel like the most courageous thing I've done is really just kind of like shed this thought of like, ⁓ my gosh, like, what are people going to think about me if I do XYZ? And I really have broken it open in like so many different ways because like, even like at one point, you know, was sort of like, what are my parents going to think is XYZ happens? What are partners going to think when I do certain things? What are friends going to think? I like all the things.

And then honestly, like, this is going to sound so crazy, but you know, I was in a seven year long relationship and broke it up. So, uh, I had a lot of different thoughts about how people would perceive me after I did that. And I was just like, you know what? At the end of the day, I'd made that decision for myself. You know I mean? And that was also like,

Mr. Nobody (34:03)
Hmm

Tyler The Unperceived (34:14)
And after that, who cares? I'm living my life for me now. Like, cares? I cannot, I can't even focus on nothing else at that point. I just want to make sure. I really feel like now I just feel like I'm really focused on making sure like every day I'm doing what's right for myself because who do you have to come home to and feel good about at end of the day?

Mr. Nobody (34:17)
Yeah.

Tyler The Unperceived (34:43)
when all the chips are down and everything's out and it's just you in a mirror, yourself. It don't matter what nobody else thinks about you. Like when you look in that freaking mirror at night, how do you feel about yourself? Period. You know?

Mr. Nobody (34:45)
Mm.

Mm-hmm. No,

funny that you meant, because again, how you were saying, like, you have to come back home to yourself, and that's why I'm like, villains have the most courage, because it's like, I don't care what people think. ⁓ Again, not, yes, know, cartoon Disney villain, yes, bad people, yes, but on a more human aspect of things, you're going to be the villain in someone's eyes, because.

With your with your relationship. I personally like I don't know about this situation, but I'm not around I'm not choosing a side But if that's what you want to do, that's what you want to do that and who am I to say anything about it? But for me, I think the most courageous thing I've done Happened twice is usually one going to college

in the sense of I went eight hours away from where I lived. with not really any family, which was a small dose of me moving to Atlanta, where I really was on my own. ⁓ And when I, because I was moved to a city that I had no friends or family to, all my friends, ⁓

or like everywhere else and I'm just, I'm like, all right, I'm just gonna do it. Granted, it was under the, impression that I'm like, oh, I'm just gonna be out here for a year, go back and figure something else out. But what ended up happening was I moved to Atlanta, that was supposed to be six months. Six months turned into a year, year turned into, how long have I been in here now? 20, like four years now. Just living by my,

Tyler The Unperceived (36:25)
Thank

Yeah, you've been here a

while.

Mr. Nobody (36:47)
⁓ No roommate. I'm glad my sister's here just to have that, but I really had no support, or least no immediate support coming out here. And I really do appreciate where my life is heading ⁓ with this move because I'm discovering a lot more about myself than I probably would have if I stayed or had a

Tyler The Unperceived (36:59)
Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (37:16)
Safety net. Or yeah, like a immediate safety net.

Tyler The Unperceived (37:19)
That's so real!

Yeah, you know what's crazy though? I literally lived by myself for like two years in Illinois and I didn't say that as my most courageous. That's what saying. Like perceptions of courage are like actually so crazy.

Mr. Nobody (37:31)
You

Tyler The Unperceived (37:36)
okay. I was also thinking about like that, is it courageous to be the villain? But I also think like in a lot of ways, ⁓ what people, what some people perceive as like, my gosh, you're being a villain or whatever, other people see it as like really empowering. And I also find issue with that sometimes.

Mr. Nobody (37:55)
Mmm.

It's a thin line, it's a thin line. For sure.

Tyler The Unperceived (38:04)
I have also had moments where people have encouraged things within me and seen it as like a good thing that I didn't like about myself. You know what mean? Like, that's happened before. So that's why I don't even put like thoughts into what people champion or don't or whatever because I just don't think

Mr. Nobody (38:14)
Really? Like...

Tyler The Unperceived (38:29)
that is true to like how you show up because I mean like you know like my like at one point you know what was encouraged like like even okay but only because like it's the most relevant example I have like my like okay post breakup my dad was like yeah you did it and you did xyz or whatever and I was just like bro please stop

Mr. Nobody (38:45)
Hmm.

Hmm

Mmm,

Tyler The Unperceived (38:57)
Like what

Mr. Nobody (38:57)
okay.

Tyler The Unperceived (38:57)
you're encouraging me about is not what I took from this as my most encouraging point. You know what mean? when you get like an A and something, you know, like people used to encourage like math and science in me a lot, but I really don't care. Like, like, you know I mean? It's just like, okay. Like I'm like, I

Mr. Nobody (39:16)
Mmm, okay.

Tyler The Unperceived (39:22)
feel, because a lot of times, and I also feel like maybe that's because of like golden childness or whatever, I feel like I'm so used to getting praise for things that I really act in the day don't care or like value over everything else. Like I don't care about good grades. I care about learning. Like for me, I enjoy the process of like learning if someone's like, oh my gosh.

Mr. Nobody (39:39)
Okay.

Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (39:49)
I'm so like, it's so cool that you like, learned this new skill that you're excited about, then that's encouraging to me. More so than like, ⁓ you like, you know, got your degree or whatever. Like it is, no mind you, it is an accomplishment. I'm not downing anybody's accomplishments and stuff like that. But I'm saying like, just the way in which people encourage you, what exactly is encouraging to them? You can't control that either. You know, that is totally a perception of theirs.

of how they want to encourage you. And sometimes it doesn't really reflect what you want encouraged in yourself. And I feel like, yeah. So that's I also feel like, ⁓ you know, me on the unperceived train. It doesn't matter whether you get praise or hate. It just matters, like, what you think about yourself. And that takes a lot of courage too, because there's so many people out here with so many, like,

Mr. Nobody (40:24)
Mm, OK, I see.

Tyler The Unperceived (40:46)
things to say about how you live your life and blah blah blah blah blah. But it takes courage to live your life the way you want to.

Mr. Nobody (40:54)
Mm-hmm. And I'll also add just strong will to not be dependent on people's opinions, for sure.

Tyler The Unperceived (41:02)
Yeah, I mean, it's hard though, because

we are like, I feel like conditioned from a very like young age to value following the sort of people's opinions a lot of times.

Yeah, it's like, you know, how if a kid is like the class clown, like the teachers aren't supporting the silliness of them. But at the same time, like that person, maybe they are silly and they're also smart and all these other things. And like, you only saw see them as this one dimension. So all you did was like talk badly to them and they took that in and but they're

multifaceted. We don't know what's within that child. Like, you know what mean? So, I just think like

Mr. Nobody (41:47)
Yeah.

Tyler The Unperceived (41:52)
that also takes a lot of courage to face how people are taking you and really just go, it's about you, not about me. And what's about me is what I choose to accept from you about me.

Mr. Nobody (42:10)
Yeah, no. And I will also say to just, blocking out people's opinions that don't know you or that don't value you or like completely strangers. Like, ⁓ we're on the internet and some random person from, I don't know, Missouri says, we suck. All right, cool. You think I, all right, cool.

Tyler The Unperceived (42:28)
Cheers! Get on the mic, bro!

Make a better podcast

and who cares?

Mr. Nobody (42:36)
Try it, try oh, I was gonna say verse is like getting someone you look up to and saying, you could, and it's probably not even like saying it in a bad way, but it's getting, hearing their criticism for what it is, if that makes sense.

Tyler The Unperceived (42:52)
Yeah,

I mean, I've also had that where I've had to do that with people I look up to too, though. Like, you know, sometimes people who you look up to don't always get it right when they're giving you advice because they they they also don't live your life like it is strikes a chord with you. You should listen to it. You should accept it. You should take it in for what it is. But, you know, have your own self filter, you know, like to a certain degree, like take it in and where it needs to be taken in. like

Mr. Nobody (42:58)
Hmm.

Mmm... yeah.

Tyler The Unperceived (43:22)
At the end of the day, like, you're, you have to, you're the only one who can sit with you. That's what it is.

Mr. Nobody (43:28)
I know with the book club, we were actually saying something along the lines of like, you kind of need to have your own moral compass versus what everyone else thinks, does. want to flip the script just for a little bit. What do you think, have you ever been petrified with fear? Because I know I have one story in, you know, that comes to mind with the opposite of courage.

Tyler The Unperceived (43:38)
Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (43:53)
There's only been one time in my life that I can truly think that I was just petrified of fear, you know, it's a silly example well, not really sick, but it was um, I was I don't know in elementary school and I was playing baseball and this was during a game like people were watching there like it's a actual game and The pitcher he throws it and the ball is coming to towards my head

or something like it was about to hit me. It misses me because I duck or whatever. But after that, I didn't swing at all because I was just afraid that that ball was going to hit me. That's the only time I can currently think of where I've literally just been petrified where I'm like, I'm too scared to move.

Tyler The Unperceived (44:23)
Yeah.

That's real.

So to say,

I don't know, Julian, you're like one of those rare breeds. A lot of things don't scare you. Yeah, pretty much.

Mr. Nobody (44:46)
I am the boogeyman for most people.

But yeah, no, that is, and again, that was, I couldn't have been no more than like 11 at the time. if I think of a more, oh, well, not petrified with fear, but I do know there's fear around me. living in Atlanta, I have a dash, I just recently got a dash cam-ish. And the reason being is because people are always like driving so close to me.

Tyler The Unperceived (45:24)
Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (45:24)
And I'm

like, one of these days my luck's going, like I haven't, I've had many close calls, but I'm like, one of these days my luck is going to run out and someone's going to ruin me or like slam into me or I can't stop fast enough. So I'm like, ⁓ the fear, fear of that is the reason why I got a dash cam, just for the precaution of, all right, if this does happen, at least I have myself. ⁓

Tyler The Unperceived (45:31)
Yeah.

I be feeling like that too.

Mr. Nobody (45:52)
I have something to kind of fall back on like, this is what happened. I'm not at fault. You can see this. So with my fear, kind of try to, what's the word I'm, plan for it, I guess, for like certain things like that.

Tyler The Unperceived (46:08)
No, that's

so real because, okay, I was thinking, I, okay, so like I have a big thing against storms. Like I hate thunderstorms. I hate any sort of thing like that. Like we had those tornado warnings the other day and I was kind of freaked out, but I have been also doing that where you kind of have to like, you know, you really do have to like face your fear and just be like, okay, well, if it does happen, am I prepared for it? And I realized I didn't have like a first aid kit and like all this other stuff. And I was like,

Mr. Nobody (46:21)
Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (46:37)
Well, of course I'm terrified. I don't have a first aid kit or a power bank or like any of stuff that you have. If something were to happen to me, like how the heck am I supposed to get through anything? So like I was just like, okay, instead of like being scared about it and like not doing anything, I tried to channel it into like actually preparing and being like, okay.

Mr. Nobody (47:00)
Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (47:02)
let me like now I have a first aid kit came in handy the other day with someone in the household got a second degree burn and then I got a power bank which also ended up helpful because there was a block like the block for my charger freaking stopped working and I thought my charger had stopped working but because I bought the power bank the power bank was able to charge my phone we were able to figure out like the it's just a power bank

Mr. Nobody (47:09)
Hmm.

Mm.

Tyler The Unperceived (47:31)
So I was like, yeah, actually these things end up coming in handy even outside of like emergency. So I think that that makes sense to me. Also, like, ⁓ I also like not as like funny or like common, I guess, or whatever was I had a really big fear about my future. Like when ⁓ stuff was going on with my dad, because

Mr. Nobody (47:32)
You

Yeah.

Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (47:57)
You know, like it really stopped me in my tracks. I'm very used to like go, go, go, doing, doing, And it slowed me down immensely. And I was just sitting here like, is this going to be the rest of my life? Like how long is it going to be like this? Um, and that was really for me, like slowing down, I didn't realize how much like slowing myself down scared me.

Mr. Nobody (48:24)
Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (48:25)
Like, I'm, cause I do think I'm like a very like forward moving person. And so just not having like a, ⁓ and next I'll do this and next I'm gonna go do this and all this other stuff. And then I was like, no, no, no, next I need to do this one thing. But it's gonna take me two weeks to do this one thing. So I'm going to have to just sit through this thing that's happening right now. And then I was finding out two weeks was like.

It's gonna take a couple months and a couple months of coming like maybe it's gonna take a year and I was just like I'm gonna have to put my whole life on hold like I couldn't even think like I have never been in a space where I didn't at least have like an idea of like how I was moving and that scared me like a lot. It scared me a lot. So I would say yeah, that was definitely like my moment. But what helped me with that was just like

Mr. Nobody (49:13)
Mmm

Tyler The Unperceived (49:22)
you know, your support system, like having a support system and like, ⁓ also leaning on them and just being like, Hey, like, I'm feeling like I can't take this on. And I was, but I was ultimately right. Like sometimes your fear is correct. Like, no, you're not, you're not able to do all those things yourself. And now like, where are you going to get that support from? And if you need support, it, you know, like some, I think.

You- people- some people are, and they don't even realize it, like, terrified of, like, asking for help. But you can't do everything yourself.

Mr. Nobody (49:57)
That is true. That is 100 % true. And I think that's kind of where my courage comes from, actually. One is from learning from other people and hearing things like that. It's like, oh, if you need help, just ask for it or don't be like...

Tyler The Unperceived (50:01)
Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (50:14)
Like, you know, the stories like, ⁓ yeah, ask for help or say something if you or just do it. So I think from hearing so many of those stories and I'm like, well, I've learned from them is like, it's just easy. Like you save yourself a headache, time in a headache. Bringing up from first, that way you kind of know and that way you can kind of around it. There was another thought that I had about

Tyler The Unperceived (50:35)
Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (50:42)
just where I think my courage comes from. just because I would also do this. ⁓ like slowing down and taking a breath is actually what I kind of need to do whatever courageous thing that I like. I slow down, I think about it. I'm like, all right, I weigh my options and I'm.

determine if that's what I want to do or there's an alternative or anything. And the reason why I said ooh is because I was just thinking about ⁓ the whole car loan situation at the very beginning of it, right? Because ⁓ I knew that's a big deal by itself, but I did think about everything that the positive and the negative of it, like, all right, if this goes well, great, I can be like,

Tyler The Unperceived (51:22)
Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (51:39)
a story is like, you actually can trust people, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, ⁓ blah. You can be like, because I think, I actually do think the most courageous thing that I do on a regular basis is try to be the change that I want to see in the world. But, and so with that, I'm like, all right, cool. I signed this co-sign. ⁓ I have a positive story with this. won't, and everything's, know, squared away ⁓ nice with a nice bow. But I also did think of like, all right, if this goes wrong,

Tyler The Unperceived (51:42)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (52:09)
⁓ What are the outcomes like? right. People are going to say whatever about me. They're going to say it was a bad whatever. They're going to make fun of me. And I'm like, is this worth it? And I'm like, let's do it. Unfortunately, unfortunately, it ended up in the bad situation. But I truly ⁓ planning on I was hoping for the good, but plan for the bad too.

Tyler The Unperceived (52:17)
I

But I feel like that definitely ties into exactly what I thinking about like sometimes You know having the courage to know that like maybe your fears were right like and also just kind of I can't what comes with that too is also really hard like there's so much um like shame like you know really like shame and guilt and all these things that people don't want to like feel and You have to have enough courage to really just kind of feel all of it

Mr. Nobody (52:47)
Hehehehehe

Mmm...

Tyler The Unperceived (53:07)
and really

sit at it, you know what mean? And really just kind of be like, hey, like I'm feeling this way, but that doesn't mean that that is who I am all the time. I think like trying to phase in and out of that while also being very like, okay, I got to own up. This is what happened in this moment. You know, like it is what it is. I can't take it back now. And I think.

Mr. Nobody (53:28)
Yeah.

No, that is

true.

Tyler The Unperceived (53:36)
I think that fear of shame, like people have a lot of that. Like the doubling down is like, whoo, friend, we don't gotta do that. Like sometimes we could just, we could just, you know, have the courage to have some shame. To feel guilty about some stuff. Sometimes we're wrong, like.

Mr. Nobody (53:56)
No.

Tyler The Unperceived (53:57)
Listen, And listen,

sometimes I'm wrong and I have to feel some shame and some guilt about that and I just have to keep it pushing like ooooh. Cause I was feeling like that with the breakup. Cause some people definitely were like, ⁓ you could have done that earlier or I already knew that was coming. I was just like, okay.

Mr. Nobody (54:01)
Mmm.

That's true.

I know.

Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (54:21)
It was really wild. It was really wild. And you really never know who it all is gonna come from either. That's the other-

Mr. Nobody (54:26)
You

It's gonna be a surprise.

It's gonna be a surprise for sure.

Tyler The Unperceived (54:35)
You like people who

I didn't even think was gonna say nothing to me say something to me. I was like, ah! You too?

Mr. Nobody (54:43)
in the back, no, but no, that's actually...

Tyler The Unperceived (54:44)
You also have something

say. The PETA gallery is up. The mic was hot.

Mr. Nobody (54:53)
That is so funny, but no, you said that and ⁓ about ⁓ Taking shame in accountability first. My sister says I have I need more shame in me. I just be saying doing a lot of things to the point the The other thing is with just taking accountability, ⁓ you you know about one of my tattoos is that it actually means how striving for balance and taking accountability and I think that's

really just really important ⁓ for having courage. ⁓ Just so you know, whatever you do, you have to own up to it. Rather it goes your way, doesn't go your way. Someone feels a type of way. You have to own up to it. And I also wanted to just bring up just with that, this is how I move and make decisions because I know something that's in the back of my mind is like how other people are going to perceive this. And I'm working on that, but I'm like,

Tyler The Unperceived (55:50)
I

Mr. Nobody (55:53)
It doesn't matter. Like at the end of the day, like you were saying, it's it's me. So case case in point a friend of mine that as of right now, I'm like, I don't want to deal with you and everything. But I'm like hearing more of their. Backstoring upbringing just was going on in their life. I'm like, OK.

Tyler The Unperceived (55:58)
Thank

Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (56:15)
And now I can more see where you're coming from. So I'm like, all right, maybe I will extend a friendship again. And I'm like, well, but going back and forth, like, are you friends? Are you not friends? Or I'm like, it doesn't matter. Whatever I do is whatever I do. So that's something that's just in the back of my mind for sure.

Tyler The Unperceived (56:23)
Yeah.

I totally understand like what you're saying with that one because I mean, I also had that too where I had kind like a friend breakup and we were just not on the same page like fundamentally as people. And I think like sometimes you also have to face the fear of like

Mr. Nobody (56:49)
Mmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (56:52)
What if the person that you really care about is just not on the same page as you and that's scary? Like that's really scary because you built all this relationship up like honestly, it's it's hard. It's hard. And can stop you from enjoying all the things that it means to be a human being. You know what mean?

we're meant to fail. We're meant to fail. We're also meant to strive and, you know, get some stuff right. And it's like, hey, listen, you never gonna know how you're wrong or how you're right until you at least try it. And honestly, I've seen people be stuck in like, ⁓ that part of like, my gosh, but if I do this, I'm gonna feel like this. But if I do that, I'm gonna feel like that. Sometimes you just gotta do the thing. You gotta do the thing, feel the feelings.

Mr. Nobody (57:26)
Ha ha.

That is so true.

Mm.

Tyler The Unperceived (57:48)
and then be like, okay, I'm never doing that again. Like sometimes it's like.

Mr. Nobody (57:50)
Don't forget to

learn from me.

Tyler The Unperceived (57:54)
and learn, yes, that's true, and learn your lessons, and learn your lessons. But, because some people will do the thing and they'll be like, that's what it felt like, and then just keep doing it. It's like, listen, now we're just having familiarity with something instead of like really sitting back and reflecting and like thinking about it or whatever. But I feel like, hey, even that I honestly feel like is a part of the process. Sometimes you go and get it wrong multiple times.

multiple times, like I think, that's also okay. That's also totally fine. Cause sometimes, you know, some challenges, lessons in your life take you a little longer to learn than other ones. We're not all built the same. We don't all have the same lessons to learn in life. And the lesson that you have to learn is not the same lesson that other people have. Me, I am a target for Pyramids games.

Mr. Nobody (58:50)
You

Tyler The Unperceived (58:54)
This is unfortunately one of my little loops. Okay, I did also have another potential pyramid scheme pop up. But I didn't ask for it. It wasn't like I was looking for it. Someone asked me about it and I already knew what it sounded like, but I was like, okay, well maybe I'll go to one of these things. And I'm like, please, I'm too nice and it's okay. And that's why I always end up ⁓ at the pyramid scheme meetings at least once.

Mr. Nobody (59:03)
You

Tyler The Unperceived (59:23)
And listen...

Mr. Nobody (59:26)
At least you know, alright this is a permit stream I gotta get out of here. No scams.

Tyler The Unperceived (59:30)
I'm gonna get

out of there, but I know what it is, so I'm not going to participate, but I just can't help it. I'm like, ugh. You know, the people, I'm not even gonna lie you, total tangent. The people who are in Pyramids Geeks are just so sweet sometimes. I honestly think they genuinely like, I feel like the people I meet are the people who met the original scammers and weren't like, whoa, you're grifty. They were just like, my gosh, I believe everything they're saying.

Mr. Nobody (59:53)
Yeah.

Tyler The Unperceived (59:58)
And then I get like the doe-eyed people. They're like, oh, okay, like it's so good. And like, I'm in this thing, and da da da. And I'm like, wow, they sound so nice. And they're so nice. And this is great. And then you get in there and the person running that day, you're like, grift, grift. The grift-o-meter going crazy. Like if I ever sketch you on the street, I would run.

Mr. Nobody (1:00:00)
Uhhh...

Yeah, no. There was definitely a time in my life where scans were coming at me left and right. Left, right, and center. Left, right, and center.

Tyler The Unperceived (1:00:26)
my gosh. And that's

another thing. People will tell you, scams are common. And people get scammed all the time. Like, I had a friend who was also telling me that they went through a scam, and I was like, girl, don't even worry about it. I've been scammed like five times. Like, we don't, we're not gonna be out here feeling ashamed about things that people go through all the time. They just don't like talking about it. It's kind of embarrassing to be scammed. It's really embarrassing.

Mr. Nobody (1:00:50)
Absolutely.

But being a scam, I can see how people fall for it because it's so different seeing it when you tell the story. It's like, in hindsight, yeah, but when you're in a situation, you don't see it. don't. Yeah, ⁓

Tyler The Unperceived (1:00:58)
Yeah!

Right. Yeah. Right. Right.

Like the average

everyday person is kind of trusting, like they don't realize it, but like everybody's a little, you have to be a little trusting to kind of like get through life. Like that also takes courage in and of itself, saying, but like, you know, you have to, you do have to be a level of trusting to be able to like build community and like make friends and all these other stuff. And you know, scammers prey on that kind of stuff. They prey on that little bit of trust that you try to give people just, you know, to see if something is even like.

Mr. Nobody (1:01:23)
just especially now.

Hmm.

Tyler The Unperceived (1:01:38)
worth it because you never know like things could go well like they they they leverage that trust and that hope that you lead into you know to really help fuel courage because i think those are the other two things you really need trust and hope to get to to courage and sometimes your trust and hope gets attacked so

Mr. Nobody (1:01:49)
Yeah.

Hmm. I don't know that. ⁓

I know our time is getting closer to this hour mark. I have no idea, but I have two more questions. I'm going to leave it to you which one you want to answer. Right. And what is the most courageous thing that happened in the world in history? Or do you want to go with ⁓ what's the downside of having

what

Tyler The Unperceived (1:02:21)
⁓

because I'm really bad at world history, I think I'll do the second one.

Mr. Nobody (1:02:25)
Perfect. I don't know which

one I'm gonna think of, but I will think of something real fast.

Tyler The Unperceived (1:02:30)
is there a bad side to having, okay, yes, MAGA. Anyways.

Mr. Nobody (1:02:30)
Yeah.

What

the

Tyler The Unperceived (1:02:40)
Metaphiles! Mega!

That's all I gotta say about that one. Really? And the mic was high. I had to say it.

And I think I felt the perfect thing. And I think I'll let the case rest there.

Mr. Nobody (1:03:01)
No, I think you're right. I don't, yeah, I don't even need to elaborate that. Just having, you said it, having the audacity to think everything is supposed to go your way. I don't know if that's courage, but it's just like, yeah, just.

Tyler The Unperceived (1:03:09)
Audacious, this is it gets audacious.

People should have a ⁓ good level of, like, honestly delusional-ish confidence in themselves. Like, yeah, things are supposed to go my way. What I don't understand is it's supposed to go your way despite ruining people's livelihoods, ⁓ loss of life, loss of your home, loss of other people's dignity. I'd never stand for that. Crazy. Absolutely insane.

Mr. Nobody (1:03:38)
Hmm

No, Yeah, no, I was gonna... And I was thinking,

yes, the audacity ⁓ and be something that so was that man's best friend. He was like being loud and wrong and not learning. I think those are the downsides of ⁓ having too much courage. And I guess I will say...

Tyler The Unperceived (1:04:04)
Yeah.

and not learning.

Mr. Nobody (1:04:13)
putting yourself in dangerous situations. I know how think about it because I'm thinking about like a hero complex in this, let's say, burning building, right? And you're not trained, building's on fire, and you run back into the... Yeah, no, I actually learned that they... I think the fire department or something asked like movies to stop showing that because to...

Tyler The Unperceived (1:04:23)
Yeah.

And they always tell you not to do that. They always tell you not to do that.

Mr. Nobody (1:04:41)
to kind of prevent that because it's like, yes, it's nice and everything that you want to help a situation, but if you don't have the skills or the abilities to help, you're actually just making it ⁓ a bigger burden for everyone else.

Tyler The Unperceived (1:04:58)
I have the courage to assess whether you're being helpful or being harmful in the long term So and it's like you there's some things that we just all know should fundamentally not be done. What don't have the courage to do

Mr. Nobody (1:05:02)
Yeah.

Tyler The Unperceived (1:05:11)
things that you know ain't right. Like just just bottom line absolutely insane behavior like when that man was like eating people's faces in Hawaii or something why are you doing that? Don't have the courage to do that.

Mr. Nobody (1:05:28)
we don't...

Tyler The Unperceived (1:05:29)
Don't have

the courage to do that. Don't eat people's faces. Please. What's wrong with you? Just have common sense!

Mr. Nobody (1:05:32)
Don't be stupid. Don't be, don't have, well.

Yeah, I'm like sometimes you do need a little bit of stupidity just to be some, but again, don't put yourself in harm's way. Don't be a harm, don't be a burden, but.

Tyler The Unperceived (1:05:44)
Listen,

I love delusion without lack, without the lack of common sense.

Mr. Nobody (1:05:52)
Yeah, no, but again, it's it's a fine balance between all everything that we said today but

Tyler The Unperceived (1:05:59)
Yeah.

Mr. Nobody (1:06:00)
So with that being said, the floor is yours. This is your time to say anything you want. any.

Tyler The Unperceived (1:06:07)
in the coming, I hope to have another like project out myself. And then I'll come back on the podcast and get to talk about it. And that'd be kind of cool. I will not be discussing it because I'm unperceived, but when, when it comes out, I'll let you perceive it.

Mr. Nobody (1:06:20)
Hey.

Let's go!

Tyler The Unperceived (1:06:26)
also, I get to do the thing. Julian told me I get to do a thing.

Mr. Nobody (1:06:28)
Hmm.

Yeah,

no, you get a thing, I get a thing because it's the last episode, but no, you get a thing.

Tyler The Unperceived (1:06:35)
Yeah.

So my thing is, the Nike, the Nike phrase, just do it. Because nine times out of 10, the just do it that people are talking about is like, they want to play on some swings. They want to skip work, color, or just take a nap. Just do it. Who cares? Why is capitalism stopping you from taking a nap? You deserve sleep.

Mr. Nobody (1:06:40)
you

100 % agree with

Tyler The Unperceived (1:07:06)
I believe in Just Do It for the silly and loving vibes. I never support the Just Do It hateful people that just wanna be out here doing hate crime. You better not. Just don't do it. Be inside. Stay away from us. That's it.

Mr. Nobody (1:07:21)
Mmm.

⁓ I like it, I like it, I like it. And then my thing is actually a very special quote that I have because it's actually the very first quote I ⁓ ever collected. It's actually on my wall back home. So this is the very first quote and I'm like, this fits really well. That's the only reason why I wanna tie it along with yours It's actually a scripture from the Bible.

Tyler The Unperceived (1:07:54)
wow.

Mr. Nobody (1:07:56)
don't let anyone look down on you because you're young, set an example for the believers in speech, in life, and in love.

Tyler The Unperceived (1:08:05)
beautiful one.

Mr. Nobody (1:08:06)
Thank you. Yeah, so that's my very first quote on my wall. So and some help I embody that.

You know, with that said, don't forget to ask yourself, ask others, and never stop asking questions. See you.